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Women have no rights and slaves are okay, this god of yours sounds like a real great guy. I can’t wait for a christian/catholic girl to repost this adding on her own caption trying to teach me something, because then she’ll be sinning and go to hell
ADDITION: To all those theists who reblogged this with anger claiming these quotes are taken out of context, let me be the first to welcome you with what Black people have had to deal with since the slave trade days, what homosexuals are currently dealing with today, and what anyone who does not believe in the bible have had to deal with since its creation. You yourself might NEEEEVER quote the bible out of context (hard to believe that) but a majority of the followers in your religion do, constantly, daily, almost as if it is their duty to use the bible to promote hate, bigotry and discrimination and ignore its teachings of compassion. I’m very glad I could be the one to show you all what us non-christian and non-catholics have had to deal with since the dawn of your religions.
I’m not reblogging this to condemn you or to get out my megaphone and placards to start picketing your funeral. I’m reblogging this not out of anger or disgust. I am reblogging this out of a desire to simply have people better informed.
IF you’re genuinely, and honestly interested in the context of each verses then please have a read below. And send me your asks please.
This took me a lot longer than I anticipated, and it also came out a lot longer than I wanted, but here we go.
TL;DR i’m not just going to yell at you that you took those verses out of context. I’m going to give you the context, and then you can come back at me with your comments if you have any. :3
ok. I’ve seen this floating around the internet for a while now, and as a BIble-believing Christian I feel like I should say something….I’m writing this not as a knee-jerk reaction, but hopefully you can take in some of the actual context.
1) This is a Psalm. Psalms is a book of the Bible that has a number of authors writing in the form of poetry or songs - i.e. prone to powerful imagery and hyperbole, expressing emotion and the majority of the time, anguish and despair. This particular Psalm is written in context of the nation of Israel’s exile from their home city of Jerusalem. If you know anything about Jewish history, they basically keep getting screwed over by invading nations, and in Psalm 37, the Babylonians and Edomites are named specifically. So, not only is this quote NOT even from God’s mouth, but it is a poem expressing the Psalmist’s extreme despair.
2) The Old Testament is an easy target to pull ridiculous quotes out of, but this here is a New Testament passage! 1 Timothy is a letter written by the apostle Paul (one of the most highly regarded minds of the early church) to his younger apprentice Timothy in a far away church. The letters deal with issues of church governance amongst others. This issue is hotly debated even within church circles.
One argument is that the cultural concession at the time was that women were not educated and so it made sense for them not to lead in the way a church leader was required to. Personally, I have nothing against female teachers today since women are very well educated, but I know others who would not stand for it in a church context- i have heard arguments ranging from upholding tradition, to ones of deeper theological significance. Yet this is not a major component of Christianity’s core doctrines, so it doesn’t affect our friendship or brotherhood as Christians.
But again, this quote is wrongly attributed to come directly from the mouth of God. It is Paul writing to Timothy. (“But Kevin, isn’t all the Bible the word of God?” you say. To which I reply, “Well yeah, but I don’t think that’s the impression these billboards are trying to convey”)
3) I’m surprised they didn’t use v20-21 lol. That’s the law concerning stoning newlywed women to death because they claimed to be virgins but weren’t.
So anyway, Deuteronomy is a long, dry sermon by Moses about a whole bunch of laws the ancient Hebrews were meant to follow that covered pretty much every aspect of every day life. Some were concerned with keeping your house clean, making sure you didn’t eat dirty animals, or what festivals and parties you should partake in.
You have to understand that these texts were written as a product of their culture and time as much as they are a part of God’s overarching narrative for humanity (which basically means the whole Bible has to be taken as a whole, leading up to Jesus Christ and beyond).
I don’t really have an answer for this one (heck I’m reading through Exodus myself right now and find myself scratching my head at a lot of the rules), but the whole point of all these laws was to point out the iniquities and failings of humanity- to emphasise the fact that perfection is impossible to attain on our own merit. That is the whole point of the OT.
4) Slavery in the Bible- another crazy issue. From my understanding, slavery back then was slightly different to slavery as it appeared in Django Unchained.
For context, Leviticus is another book on rules and laws for the Hebrews to follow. In Exodus, similar rules on slaves are discussed, but there is one rule that struck me, (Ex 21:5), which basically says that if a slave is allowed to go free but says “I love my master, my wife and my children, I will not go out free”, then he can stay. Sooooooooooooo in my head this kind of suggests that slavery was very different, perhaps more like indentured servanthood, and somewhere along the line it got severely severely twisted into the Django Unchained version.
5) God gets accused of being a xenophobic, genocidic megalomaniac. And nowhere is this more evident than in Jeremiah! Lol. A prophet book, Jeremiah was around to proclaim doom and gloom on his own people for ignoring their holy God- he’s known as the weeping prophet for crying out loud.
I’m not going to sugarcoat this one, but yes God is a judging God. What perfect being wouldn’t be? This verse is directed at the Moabites, and is part of a series of judgment prophecies directed against nations surrounding Israel at the time. Israel was God’s chosen people. The nations around her enticed her away with their foreign gods and idols. God’s righteous judgment is enacted. There I said it. This should be enough to generate me some anon hate.
6) This chapter? Ezekiel chapter 9? Ezekiel is actually tripping balls right now. It’s a description of an intense vision he is having filled with images of violence and war. Ezekiel’s book is concerned with the impending destruction of Jerusalem and her crown jewel- the temple of God. You see, God judges his own people as much as he judges outsiders. Everyone is held accountable.
7) See 4) and also here
8) (actually this reference is incorrect. It’s Ezekiel 21:32, not 21:33). Again, this is Ezekiel prophesying about God judging his own people Israel, but these verses are actually about a nation called the Ammonites, who were enemies of Israel at the time. It was a war-filled time and age back then. If anyone has the right to call for war, then surely it would be the supreme creator of the universe? Even if you don’t believe in it, this logic can’t be denied right? Quote is correctly attributed to God.
9) ‘Heads’ should read ‘chiefs of people’ (English Standard Version Translation). Numbers was basically a book about the generations of Israel following their exodus and wandering around the desert like noobs. This story was about the Hebrews going over to the foreign gods (known as the Baals) and taking part in their rituals and sacrifices, which to my understanding often included child sacrifice and other acts of indecency. So God basically endorsed capital punishment for the leaders of the people to let them go astray in that way.
So there you have it. I will be the first to admit that Christianity is an easy target, but the beauty of it is that is continually open to discussion and subject to scrutiny. There’s nothing secret here. We don’t know all the answers but it’s a lifelong journey and the more I discover, the more I do fall in love with it. Even if the strange verses like those above still confuse me.
Because at the end of the day, Christianity would not exist without Christ. You may have noticed that I mentioned themes of judgment up there. The OT paints an undeniable character of judgment concerning God (or Yahweh), yet one also of infallible love and faithfulness to his people, who are continually rejecting him.
Ultimately though, the entire OT can only be fully understood in light of the New Testament and in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (the only standard of perfection we need now. No more crazy rules or laws that don’t make much sense to our modern minds).
Yes I will also be the first to admit that the Bible, and religion, is such an easy tool to manipulate for man’s own end. But man is a broken vessel, and sometimes when broken vessels try to carry that which is pure, our rust will contaminate even the purest of waters.
There’s the context of each verse. Do with it what you will.
TL;DR2 the Bible and God are infinitely more complex than picking out random verses and putting them on billboards. So please at least use them as a springboard to examine deeper issues and contexts.
edit: sources are biblegateway.com and wikipedia.org. It doesn’t take a Bible scholar to know these things.
Barack Obama, November 2008
We’ve got an open mic night at youth tomorrow and I want to lay some smack down!
Otherwise, I may be forced to write my own…and i don’t know how that will turn out lol.
We played Page CXVI’s arrangement of the old 18th C hymn Come Thou Fount tonight at church. I thought the original was powerful, but when with a congregation…it was even better! I recorded this on my phone and i left it in my seat and so you can hear Pete tapping on the pew lol.
Come thou fount of every blessing,
Tune my heart to sing Thy grace;
Streams of mercy, never ceasing,
Call for songs of loudest praise.
While the hope of endless glory,
Fills my heart with joy and love,
Teach me ever to adore Thee;
May I still Thy goodness prove.
Here I raise my Ebenezer,
Hither by Thy help I’ve come;
And I hope, by Thy good pleasure,
Safely to arrive at home.
Jesus sought me when a stranger,
Wandering from the fold of God;
He, to rescue me from danger,
Interposed His precious blood.
Oh, to grace how great a debtor
Daily I’m constrained to be;
Let that grace now like a fetter
Bind my wandering heart to Thee.
Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it;
Prone to leave the God I love.
Here’s my heart, oh, take and seal
it, Seal it for Thy courts above.
I am bound for the Kingdom, won’t you come with me?
Hallelujah, we sing.
- Psalm 16:6
- Pastor Rick Warren: A great interview in defence of and in rebuke towards claims of his promoting a Christian/Muslim amalgamation; ‘ChrIslam’.